Episode 35: Douchebags and Desert

Episode 35: Douchebags and Desert

Very Bad Wizards

Dave and Tamler talk about the influence of character judgments on attributions of blame. What is the function of the blame--to assign responsibility or to judge a person's character? Is it fair that we blame douchebags more than good people who commit exactly the same act, or is it yet another cognitive bias that should be avoided? Plus we delve into the Richie Incognito hazing story (maybe a little early since the story has developed) and Tamler tries to figure out how to teach the Gospels to students who know roughly 100 times as much about them than he does.  Links "The Miami Dolphins and Everything that Will Never Make Sense." by Andrew Sharp.  (grantland.com) Interview with Richie Incognito (youtube.com)  Gospel of Matthew [wikipedia.org] Synoptic Gospels [wikip
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SpeakerA
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Very Bad Wizards is a podcast with a philosopher, my dad and psychologist Dave Pizarro having an informal discussion about issues in science and ethics. Please note that the discussion contains bad words that I'm not allowed to say and knowing my dad, some very inappropriate jokes.

SpeakerB
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I don't like their heads, I don't like their faces, I don't like their feet. I don't like their conversations. I don't like their hairdos. I don't like their automobiles. I don't like their dogs or the cats or their roses.

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Has spoken.

SpeakerB
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Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

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Who are you? Who are you? A very bad man. I'm a very good man.

SpeakerB
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Good man.

SpeakerA
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They think deep thoughts and with no more brains than you have. Pay no attention tonight, man. Anybody can have a brain. You're a very bad man.

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I'm a very good man. Just a very bad wizard. Welcome to very bad wizards. I'm Tamler Summers from the University of Houston. Dave, do you think I blame you more because you have such a bad character?

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I'm David Pizarror from you know I really deeply, truly believe that I'm blameless. I don't think I've ever done anything wrong or hurtful like Jesus. Like Jesus. I don't know. He hurt Judas's feelings by calling him out in front of all his friends.

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I don't even know what Judas did. What did he do?

SpeakerC
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He betrayed Jesus by selling him for silver to the Romans. The reason for centuries of anti Semitism right there.

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How much silver?

SpeakerC
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I think it was 20 pieces.

SpeakerB
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20 pieces. I mean that's probably back then.

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There's a price on our Lord and Savior is what you're saying.

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Look, he can just resurrect himself anytime he wants, so I don't really see the problem.

SpeakerC
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Well, not only that, but it was like part of the divine plan. Somebody had mean it had to happen.

SpeakerB
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Judas stepped.

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It'S. It's kind of like your Greek story that we talked about last time and that you just wrote a flickers of freedom post on, which is if it's decreed by fate and somebody has to do really is it really blame worthy? So Judas ended up hanging himself out of guilt, I guess. Or maybe the other disciples made it look like a suicide.

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That's probably what it was.

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They put the gun in his hand and it was like rigor mortis hand.

SpeakerC
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Sprinkled a little crack on him to make it look drug related.

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CSI, where did this happen?

SpeakerC
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Rome in Hebrew land.

SpeakerB
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Would figure out that that was no suicide.

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So actually your question is going to lead us nicely into your topic, but both you and I wanted to mention a couple of things. One is this there are people who know a lot about the brain because you and I don't. And they're friends of ours, they're friends of the podcast and have really supported us in the past and we are doing all we can to spread the word neuro TV. They have a Kickstarter fund TV.

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They have a kickstarter.

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I think they've done a couple they have episodes up. So they're trying to do to get there, which is a worthy cause because you and I have talked about doing video and how difficult that might be. But they have full video. They're trying to raise money for production, make it look schnazzy, get some good mics, get some good video cameras.

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Yeah. Speaking of that, there's a possibility that we might do a collaboration with blogging heads, but there are a few hurdles, one of which is that we have.

SpeakerC
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Faces for radio, that we have faces for audio podcasts. Yeah.

SpeakerB
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And we're too, like most people, they don't give a shit. They just accept that. But that's hard for I know.

SpeakerC
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So Tamler was thinking of having dancing nude men behind him to sort of increase the production value of his I.

SpeakerB
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Just think I would look better with a bunch of swinging dicks in my face sort of banging on my head and stuff like that.

SpeakerC
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Behind rubbing in your haunted haircut?

SpeakerB
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Excuse me if I feel a little more comfortable with like nine dancing naked men behind me. Sorry, does that make me weird?

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I don't blame you at all. Okay, so support Neuro TV. Support our podcast.

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Verybadwizards.com go to the support page, Amazon. Just bookmark that Amazon link and the way Dave set it up, it's not that clear what you have to press, but it's that it just says support us on Amazon. And you just click that and anything you buy on Amazon that you were going to buy anyway, a little cut of that goes down.

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Yeah.

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And thank you for all the people who have done it, because we have gotten some nice little Amazon gift cards come out of that. That's allowed us to purchase some things.

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I didn't tell you about purchase everything. I purchase everything on Amazon Prime now.

SpeakerC
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Yeah. I love it. I love it's. Sometimes I wonder how many people are being oppressed because I can get my crappy stuff delivered second day through Amazon Prime.

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Well, as a devoted Apple user, clearly that's not something that you think about or care.

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Just sometimes it's worth it. Sometimes oppression is worth.

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I own is fair trade organic.

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It's fair trade organic.

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All right, actually, this will lead into our topic. I want to tell you about this story. It comes from the world of the NFL, and I know you're sort of a hipster know the problem is that.

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I was raised by Latin Americans. We don't know the rules of football.

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It's not that. It's that you're a hipster and that the only sports you follow are Premier League soccer and curling. You're a big curler. Admit that you watch curling and follow it. There's this big sort of controversial story coming out about Richie Incognito.

SpeakerC
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That sounds like a porn name.

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It does, doesn't it?

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Richie Incognito. Stars.

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Apparently, that's just his name, though, and he's a fellow offensive lineman, Jonathan Martin. And Jonathan Martin recently quit the team, or he just took a leave of absence from the team dealing with emotional problems. And it came out that this Richie Incognito guy has been just kind of harassing him. Now, the background of this is that he was a rookie last year and Jonathan Martin and rookies get hazed in the NFL. They get hazed badly and they get, for some reason, they have to pay for everything, even though they're generally now not the wait, what do you mean by everything? What?

SpeakerC
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What do you mean, pay for everything?

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Pay for like they had to I mean, one of the things at issue here is that he had to pay for $15,000 for a trip to Las Vegas for all the linemen that he didn't even go to. They have to pay for all the dinners that they go out to. And the guys are dicks, right? They'll order bottles of crystal. There was just details that there was harassment and the big guy that was doing it, it seems like, was Richie Incognito little added element. Richie Incognito is white, jonathan Martin is black. This has been a real interesting controversy in the NFL because Jonathan Martin filed actual harassment charges against Richie Incognito and that led to Richie Incognito getting fired. Not fired, suspended, but probably will never now play for the Dolphins again. And what I'm really interested in is the reaction to this story, but let me just give you a sample of this voicemail that Richie Incognito left. And this was back in April, and this was part of the evidence, and this evidence was leaked somehow. So the voicemail went, hey, what's up, you half N word piece of shit? I saw you on Twitter, you've been training ten weeks. I want to come in your mouth. I'm going to slap your fucking mouth. I'm going to slap your real mother across the face. Laughter fuck you. You're still a rookie. I'll kill you.

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Wow.

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And so that was one of the voicemails. Now, what's interesting about this to me, a couple of things, right? Normally, when these kind of hazing stories come out, it's not the first, right? This is just a tradition in the NFL. This is something that has been going on forever and it's never been something that everyone feels comfortable with, but it's.

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Just sort of

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