
#687: Justin Gary — Taking the Path Less Traveled, The Phenomenon of “Magic: The Gathering,” How Analytical People Can Become “Creative” People, Finding the Third Right Answer, and How to Escape Your Need for Control
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Hello boys and girls, ladies and germs. This is Tim Ferriss and welcome to another episode of the Tim Ferriss show where it is my job to deconstruct world class performers from all different disciplines to tease out the habits, routines, lessons learned and so on that you can apply to your own lives. My guest today was a blast. We cover a lot that can be applied to life, business thinking, game design and a hundred other things. A lot of tactical advice, a lot of specifics. My guest is Justin Gary. Justin is an award winning designer, author, speaker and entrepreneur. He is CEO of Stoneblade Entertainment and creator of the innovative and award winning Ascension deck building game series. Prior to designing games, Justin was the youngest ever magic the Gathering US national champion. He has studied creativity and applied the principles of design to create dozens of products over his 20 years in the industry for brands that include Marvel, World of Warcraft and the Wharton School of Business. Today he designs, consults and teaches creativity around the world as a digital nomad and there is a lot in between. We get into the weeds in the best way possible in this interview, cover a lot of ground, a lot of varied ground. So I hope and think you will enjoy it. You can find Justin online in many places. Thinklikeagamedesigner.com is one such place and I highly recommend the podcast by the same name on Twitter at Gary and we will link to everything else LinkedIn, Stoneblade and much more in the show notes at Tim blog slash podcast and without further ado, please enjoy this extremely, extremely tactical and I found very, very entertaining conversation with Justin. Gary Justin, it is nice to see you. Very nice to see you again.
Yeah, Tim, great to see you again as well.
And you are at maybe undisclosed you could disclose, but you are overseas at the moment. So we are across the pond, or many ponds as it were. I'm glad we were able to make the timing work and I thought we could begin with magic. So magic. Magic the Gathering is a game that I never really became familiar with because I was older guard at that point, dungeons and dragons, a lot of the very first editions. But my younger brother, on the other hand, really became immersed in magic and actually competed on some level. And his friends were just obsessed with magic, the gathering. So could you please, for people who don't have the context, explain what magic is? And I suppose how you became involved and what that Trajectory looked like?
Magic's a trading card game invented by Richard Garfield. What trading card game means is that you can buy it, not just like a normal game like Monopoly. You'd buy in a store. It'd be a single box. Here you buy packs of cards like you would baseball cards, and each one has different gameplay elements. And the way I like to describe it for people who don't know is it's sort of like a cross between chess and poker, where you get to decide what deck of cards you're going to play and what pieces you get to play with. So there's the poker element of I'm drawing a hand of cards, and maybe I can bluff what I have, and you don't know. And there's the chess element of, there's tactically, once I play those cards, there's tactically ways I use them and kind of battle back and forth. And then, of course, it has fantasy characters, and so it appeals to people who like dungeons and dragons. So you'll be playing wizards and dragons and warriors and stuff like that. And so I first got involved with magic in a pretty funny way, actually. So I used to be on a competitive laser tag league. So I'm a very competitive person by nature. I've been involved in pretty much whatever I do, I'll find some way to compete with it. And in between games of laser tag, people were playing this card game, and it looked really cool, I'd never heard of before, and I watched them play, and I was like, okay, what is that? Okay? So I go to the store and I just buy a pack of cards. And as I mentioned, the cards are totally random. So I just took all the random cards I bought and just went to go play, and I got my butt kicked. And of course, okay, you actually have
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