#628 - Garry Tonon & Eddie Bravo

#628 - Garry Tonon & Eddie Bravo

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Garry Tonon is a World Champion jiu jitsu black belt. Eddie Bravo is a jiujitsu black belt, music producer, and author. He also hosts his own podcast called Eddie Bravo Radio. Garry will be competeing at Eddie Bravo Invitational: EBI3 on March 22, 2015 with more info & PPV access available @ www.eddiebravoinvitational.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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SpeakerA
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Live. Hey, everybody. This is a very special podcast. A very special Saturday afternoon podcast. We're watching an old fight from 1954 that was supposed to be a pro wrestling match with Gary Tonin, one of the best jujitsu artists in America today. One of the hot young fucking killers of grappling. And of course, my brother, Eddie. Bravo.

SpeakerB
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Yo, yo.

SpeakerA
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Holla. And we're watching this video that we found. All of us found this on the underground. Someone posted it. I'll have to give the dude props. I forget his name, but it's Kamura. The guy who. The shoulder lock. The Kamura was named after because he used it on Alio Gracie back in. What was that? Like the. Something like that?

SpeakerB
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Man, I don't know.

SpeakerA
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I don't know when that was.

SpeakerB
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Well, this is only 1962.

SpeakerA
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I wouldn't know. It was a long ass time ago.

SpeakerC
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Black and white era.

SpeakerA
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Point being, he did some pro wrestling, and he did a pro wrestling match with this guy. I think I'm saying this right. I hope I'm saying that right. I'm just reading. I never heard anybody say it.

SpeakerB
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That's a big japanese. He's huge. He's huge.

SpeakerA
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And this match starts out like. This starts out a pro wrestling match where they're, like, doing a bunch of stuff. They're kind of allowing each other to push each other around. And there, somewhere in the match, it becomes like a war. And the big dude right there, the kick to the balls. Look at this right hand. And this just turns into a fight. This is 100% a fight now.

SpeakerC
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Oh, yeah.

SpeakerB
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He's looking around, panicking. What the fuck is going on?

SpeakerA
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He's panicking. He tries to clinch. And this is real now. This is a real single. Like, he's fucked up. Look, the referee says, don't do that. And boom. He punches him in the face. He's poking him in the eyes. Kicks him.

SpeakerB
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Oh, shit.

SpeakerA
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Kicks him again. Wait for this, though. This gets even crazier. Look at this.

SpeakerC
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Open hand, slaps.

SpeakerA
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He soccer kicks him, man. He headlocks him. Boom, look at this shit. This is totally real now. Boom, look at that shit. I mean, he's fucked up right now, and this dude is still beating. His referee doesn't know if it's fake or not.

SpeakerC
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I guess.

SpeakerA
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I don't know. Check this out. Here's the finishing combo. The referee looks at his eyes. You'll find back in.

SpeakerB
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Oh, shit.

SpeakerC
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Yeah, he's great.

SpeakerB
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I think the ref's afraid he'll kick.

SpeakerA
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His ass, walk in the park and look at that left. The left hand that he dropped him with. 100% legit. 100% legit. Back that up just a little bit, Jamie, to that last combination right about there. You don't fake shit like this when he stood up. Well, it's a little bit before this, Jamie, that he soccer kicked him. Go a little bit before this. Yeah, when he was against right there, Jamie. That's good. See, this is when the dude is desperately scrambling, trying to take him to the ground. And Rikito Zan again. I hope I'm saying that right. Just is beating that ass. He was mostly doing open hands, but he's kicking him, too. And then he kicks him again. Boom. The bitch slap right to the ear.

SpeakerB
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Did you see? Kamura walked to the round and looked at him and said, dude, what the fuck is going on here?

SpeakerA
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Look at that. Boom. I mean, that is. You cannot fake head kicks like that. That's 100% legit. This guy is getting the fuck beat out of him. It's crazy, man. I mean, he gets up, he's already really badly fucked up. The referee checks his eye, dude, don't worry about your eye, dude.

SpeakerC
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There's a good chance that that knockout was just him. Like, I don't know how to end this. Let me just drop to the fucking floor and pretend like I can't breathe.

SpeakerA
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Maybe. Right, that last left hand holding onto the rope, he got fucked up, man. It's so crazy. I've never seen anything like that before.

SpeakerB
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Stay down, dude.

SpeakerC
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Stay down.

SpeakerA
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Where it starts out just a pro wrestling match and turns into full on Valley Tudo. See, this is so cool. We were talking about this before the podcast started that it's so cool that shit like this exists. And we can watch some historical moments in martial arts. This is a historical moment.

SpeakerB
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Wow. I wonder what the aftermath was. Did the guy got rematch or something?

SpeakerA
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No, he got murdered.

SpeakerB
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Who got murdered?

SpeakerA
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The big guy.

SpeakerB
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Because of this, probably.

SpeakerA
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That's the story. That's the legend. How much of it is true? Who knows?

SpeakerB
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You know what? I would lean to believe that, because that guy got his ass thoroughly kicked. He got the double crossed on tv, and he could have.

SpeakerA
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Yeah, yeah, he could have died. He was getting soccer kicked hard.

SpeakerB
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I can definitely see Kamora having some deep connections with the yakuza. And they said, we got to kill this motherfucker. That's it. No rematch. No grappling match, no submission only, no metal. Morris, kill this motherfucker right himself.

SpeakerC
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Killing him?

SpeakerB
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Yeah, just kill him quick. Murder him. Make it ugly.

SpeakerA
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The dude who put the video up is Ian Paisley is my hero. That's his name on the underground. So thanks to that dude, that's one.

SpeakerB
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Of the most brutal ass kickings ever of all time. Caught on video.

SpeakerA
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And there's another dude who posted something. His name is P-O-L-O-N-I-S-T-A. Polonista, I guess you would say it. And he wrote a whole breakdown of what happened. And apparently this, you know, Kimura was saying that Rikitozan, that he got taken for greed and the money and the fame, he lost his mind and just started beating the fuck out of the dude. And so apparently they stabbed him with a urine soaked knife. That's what the story is. This is so crazy. He died, like, days later.

SpeakerB
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Supposed to drink it.

SpeakerC
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We ran out of the poison tip.

SpeakerA
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Maybe only your own, maybe.

SpeakerB
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Yeah. Someone else's piss gets inside of you, you're fucked.

SpeakerA
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It could be. Well, you know, they do those poop things where they take poop and they transmit fecal matter. They transplant it to someone's intestinal tract. And apparently it's supposed to be good for your body. Like, to get that bacteria, like somebody else's bacteria in your body through a fecal transplant. Makes sense, kind of, but not really, right? Yeah, you wouldn't want to think that the health of your.

SpeakerB
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You think I'm joking? You think I'm joking?

SpeakerA
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You do?

SpeakerB
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There's no waiting list for that shit. Kidneys, yes. Kidneys, yes. You wait two years for kidney liver shit, dude, you better be white.

SpeakerA
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That's so true.

SpeakerB
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You know what I mean?

SpeakerA
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Shit, you can all have somebody give it to you. Fresh shit.

SpeakerB
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You be at the operating table, they got fresh shit.

SpeakerA
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Yeah, the doctors just shit. Right? They don't even need to go anywhere.

SpeakerB
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You get, like, vegan shit is the best, right? No added hormones. No added hormones.

SpeakerA
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But you're tired all the time.

SpeakerB
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You need naps.

SpeakerA
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You guys gave me some bum shit.

SpeakerB
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Vegan shit will kill you.

SpeakerA
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Yeah.

SpeakerB
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Just doesn't have the right amino acid chains.

SpeakerA
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So this guy, Rikitozon, if you watch that, that might be, like, one of the first ever double crosses that's on video.

SpeakerB
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I don't think there's anything like that on world star hip hop, even. Seriously, think about that. It's so clear, even though it's black and white and 100 years ago, you see the strikes clearly and there's lights.

SpeakerC
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That's what, a new thug life video.

SpeakerB
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Yeah, someone's definitely going to.

SpeakerA
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Sunglasses will drop down when they got his hands up in the air. For real, man. Yeah. That's a ruthless. Ruthless beat down.

SpeakerB
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Not quite as ruthless as that Suge knight fucking thing. Holy.

SpeakerA
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That was horrible. That's horrible, man.

SpeakerB
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People kept telling me about it, but I just didn't get to it. And then finally someone said, dude, sit down, watch this shit. I go, okay. It's brutal, dude.

SpeakerA
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We watched it on the air. Yeah, we watched it live. Like, not live, but the first time I saw it, and it was unbelievable. It's hard to imagine that someone could do that. Just ran those dudes over.

SpeakerB
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He's saying that now that the video is out, now people are going to see the truth, that it was self defense.

SpeakerA
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Whoa.

SpeakerB
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That's what he said.

SpeakerA
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Oh, my God.

SpeakerB
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He's crazy. That's what he said.

SpeakerC
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He said one guy was coming after.

SpeakerA
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Him with a gun. That's why.

SpeakerB
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So he had to run a moment because of the gun.

SpeakerA
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Well, it seems like there was a gun in that video or something that the guy took out and put in the gun spot behind your lower back. Does somebody ever do that with a chrome? Like, man walking over, let me get his comb. Yeah, and stick it in the crack of your butt. No, you only put guns back there. When a guy does that and he sticks something behind their back, it's owning a gun. It's never a cell phone. It's never anything else. It's a fucking gun.

SpeakerB
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That's it.

SpeakerA
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It's a gun. Nobody puts anything back there but a gun. What the fuck else do you hold behind belts? Your ass cheeks.

SpeakerB
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Belts.

SpeakerA
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Between your ass cheeks and your pants.

SpeakerB
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Jujitsu belts. When I give promotions, I hide it behind my butt.

SpeakerA
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You do?

SpeakerB
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That's the only thing that's true. I was going to promote him, your honor. He'd been training four years straight, three times a week, your honor. Three times. I have the documents here. Three times a week for two years. He was due for his brown belt.

SpeakerA
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Yeah, well, he ran over the brown belt, too. Then he ran over that dude. He ran over that dude, and that dude apparently lived. The second guy died. The second guy ran over his head?

SpeakerB
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Yes. The guy that went flying off screen.

SpeakerA
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Yeah.

SpeakerB
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Fuck.

SpeakerA
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Fuck, man. Yeah. The stories about that, those are going to go on for eternity.

SpeakerB
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The rap world. Holy shit. If you're in that rap music world, the more famous you get. It's like in China. The more famous you get in China, the triads take over. You know what I mean? They're like, you got to pay us, son. We're responsible for this, know? We own the movie houses or whatever. And in the rap world,

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