#468 - Duncan Trussell, Christopher Ryan

#468 - Duncan Trussell, Christopher Ryan

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Duncan Trussell is a stand-up comedian, and host of his own podcast "The Duncan Trussell Family Hour" available on Spotify. Christopher Ryan, Ph.D. is a psychologist, speaker, and author of New York Times best seller Sex At Dawn. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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SpeakerA
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Yeah. Feels weird when you break up conversations like this. But wasn't the idea about gold and precious minerals being. There's very few of them. There's a finite amount, so that this is a good thing to base money on because it's, you know, people have sort of always kind of recognized there's got to be like a way to put a cap on it. Yes, kind of way. Keep the way to keep this thing. It doesn't totally make sense for controlling everything about. When you think about what money really is, it's so bizarre because it's not human. Okay? It's not thinking, but it seems to be an organism. It seems to be something that requires you to love it. So it allows you to connect yourself to all these material items that fill up this weird hole in your idea of the world.

SpeakerB
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I'll tell you what it is.

SpeakerA
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Fill up holes of perception.

SpeakerB
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It's a western God, right? Because it's power hungry. It accumulates power. It's jealous. It doesn't want any other currencies in existence. It wants to control the market. And it only works if everybody believes in it.

SpeakerC
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That's a dark way to put it. I've heard it put a positive way, which is it just represents the life flow. It represents this flow of energy that's always coming through the universe. And it's kind of like one manifestation of that energy flow. And if you look at it like that, instead of demonizing it, which I've definitely done in the past, and just see it as just this thing that sort of. It's like, we know when you throw pain on the invisible man or something, it reveals this kind of flow through the universe. That's where you get into the secret stuff. Like, if you're very generous, more comes back.

SpeakerB
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Yeah, but don't you think that money does have characteristics? I mean, don't you think there are predictable things that happen to a person's life when a bunch of money comes into it?

SpeakerA
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Yeah, no doubt.

SpeakerB
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I think money is objectively toxic.

SpeakerC
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You think so? I think it's literally toxic when you consider all the disgusting people who handle that shit, all the fear sweat that soaks into cocaine.

SpeakerA
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I don't think that money is inherently toxic. I think people with power are inherently toxic.

SpeakerC
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Yeah.

SpeakerA
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I don't think it has anything to do with money. I think the real corrupting factor of money is that they want, someone wants it. Okay. So if everybody wants it, someone at some point in time is going to try to control the flow of other people acquiring it, because then it'll interfere with them. And so then it becomes this chimpanzee competition thing. It's not that money is toxic because you could take wealthy people who make a lot of money, who do a lot of good things with it, and they seem to be really nice and they have this ability to help and affect all sorts of other folks, like Bill Gates. I don't know anything about Bill Gates, but what I know about watching Bill Gates is his constant charity work.

SpeakerB
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Okay, but let's give away money back to where you started, right, with Apple shutting down bitcoin.

SpeakerA
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Right.

SpeakerB
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The way Bill Gates got rich, the way Microsoft got where they are is by shutting down competition. Every time somebody rose that would challenge windows, they would shut it down, buy them out, drive them out of business. They're like the Walmart of software. That's why everybody bitches about how shitty windows is. But you can't not use Windows if you're in a big company in the 90s.

SpeakerA
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Well, that's also because they got a stronghold on the market when Apple was.

SpeakerB
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Shit and they didn't let anybody else come up.

SpeakerA
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Well, Apple wouldn't let anybody sell their operating system and just attach it to a computer. When you buy an Apple computer, you buy it from them. They used to have clones. They used to have these Apple clones you could buy, and then they shut those clones down and people got really pissed. And businesses also, like the old apples, were dog shit. They were bad. And when Windows came out, there was so many good things about Windows operating system as opposed to the old. Like there's something about the way the operating system worked, that it was really bad with multitasking.

SpeakerB
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I thought it was the other way. I thought that Apple operating systems sort of led the way and Windows copied.

SpeakerA
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No, there's definitely some copying back and forth from each other. But the original way of using a user interface, a graphic user interface, it was invented by Xerox. They invented the first computer that worked like that. Everything else was a terminal that you'd have to just punch in code. They figured out how to do that first, and then Apple and then Windows copied that. But so what? It's just a graphic user interface. What's going on behind the scenes? Well, the old days before OSX, Apple had no memory protection, no preemptive multitasking like the old operating systems. The old operating systems for Apple were like really shitty. So then they changed it to go with the Windows platform, to go with the intel platform when they couldn't get anything more out of that IBM computer that they used to sell. They couldn't get any more juice out of it. And then the Windows computers were getting up to like 1 ghz so they just jumped ship and went to intel and had to change everything.

SpeakerB
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Oh, you're talking about the chip.

SpeakerA
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Yeah, they had to change their processors. They had to change their processors. And by the way, if I butchered any of this, real true computer geeks.

SpeakerC
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I know, so impressed. Whatever you.

SpeakerA
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The multitasking thing, preemptive multitasking.

SpeakerC
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Wow.

SpeakerA
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The ability to do well I think a lot of times when like today Windows is awesome with that. So is Mac. You can run a bunch of different programs at the same time. But it used to be like if you wanted to, iTunes wasn't around back then, but it used to be if you wanted to open up iTunes and also have a browser running and also be checking your Twitter feed on a Twitter application, you'd have a real fucking problem. Especially if you're trying to play a video online as well, then your computer is just going to shit itself. But now that's super commonplace. But one of the reasons is the operating system is far more complex and it's a Unix based operating system now. So when Apple came around with OSX it was so far ahead of anything else. Like windows looked like a dinosaur in comparison. That's when I switched over. The guys in the fear factor office had these Apple computers with like for whatever reason Hollywood has always been like super everything. Like Apple evangelists on set graphics.

SpeakerC
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But then. Yeah, not just that, but remember when Apple shit all over final cut? Remember that? They did that update to final cut and just nerfed it and turned it into this baby machine or something?

SpeakerA
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Stopped using it.

SpeakerC
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Well so did my brother. My brother is a video editor in DC and he switched to a pc. And the new Windows system is pretty amazing, man. I've used it, it's really cool. I like it a lot.

SpeakerA
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But the new Windows system for video editing, is that what you mean?

SpeakerC
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Well no, just the new windows. The operating system itself is so much different. If you're used to like whenever you stopped using it, if you revisit it now it's pretty cool, man. I'm sure it's cool. I still use Mac though. But I think one cool thing about Windows is that it gives you the freedom to fuck up your whole computer. And that's cool man. There's always some with Apple. You always feel like your hands are tied a little. Know they're always trying to control shit. They took flash away. Remember when they did that? Right after I learned to code an action script a little bit. Those motherfuckers started launching photon missiles into flash, and ever since then, I've had a sour taste over Apple.

SpeakerA
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Well, I think there was a reason there was a bunch of security exploits with Flash, though, wasn't there?

SpeakerC
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Who cares? Let me destroy my goddamn computer if I want to. And my life. It's that attitude of like, the older I get, the more grading it becomes. When you realize you're being protected from destroying yourself, it's like, stop it. Let me do this. If this is what I'm compelled to.

SpeakerA
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Do, well, especially when it's been proven that the things they're trying to prevent you from doing aren't harmful oftentimes.

SpeakerC
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Like pot. Yes.

SpeakerA
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Think about the money that's been spent on keeping pot illegal. Of course, everyone distrusts you now. They're never going to listen to a goddamn word you said. You tried to keep pot from them. It's one of the dumbest things the government has ever done, is try to keep pot from people.

SpeakerC
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No shit.

SpeakerA
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You smoke it, you find out it's awesome. You don't die, and then you start distrusting everything.

SpeakerC
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Right?

SpeakerB
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Well, masturbation. Think about how many people thought they were going to die from masturbation, right? You lose your mind. You get hair on your palms.

SpeakerA
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But when did that end? That wasn't my time.

SpeakerB
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No. Well, unless you're Catholic. No, I'm talking about earlier times, early 20th century, 19th century.

SpeakerA
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I never heard that you were going to go blind or anything.

SpeakerB
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Oh, yeah, there are medical books in the 19th century. Kellogg had this whole thing about it.

SpeakerC
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It causes insanity.

SpeakerB
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Insanity? It causes hair to grow on your palms.

SpeakerA
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Yeah.

SpeakerB
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Isn't that weird about Kellogg?

SpeakerA
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From Kellogg cereal.

SpeakerB
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Right?

SpeakerA
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Yeah, he had a thing.

SpeakerB
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He was very. You ever seen the road to Wellville?

SpeakerC
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He hated people who masturbate.

SpeakerA
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He had a thing about that.

SpeakerB
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I mean, the whole thing with cornflakes. The reason cornflakes were invented was to stop boys from masturbating.

SpeakerA
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Yeah. How was the idea behind that? You explained this to us before.

SpeakerB
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Yeah. The idea is that spicy foods excite the sensibilities, and so if you eat something that tastes interesting, you're going to want to come. And also Graham crackers. Graham was another of these big anti masturbation evangelizers. So they invent these really intentionally bland foods.

SpeakerC
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You know why they like that? You know why they like to keep the teenage boys from jerking off? So that when they finger their assholes, they immediately. Exactly.

SpeakerB
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Exactly. It's like veal. Keep them in the dark.

SpeakerA
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That's so true.

SpeakerB
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Kellogg's a guy.

SpeakerA
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Make him so fucking horny. Anything. Spin your finger, Father. Anything. Just touch me, squirt.

SpeakerC
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Fucking mount confusion.

SpeakerA
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What am I, gay now? Sheds.

SpeakerC
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Yeah. What if your cow could milk itself? That would be bad.

SpeakerA
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And it could climb fences.

SpeakerB
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A cow that does yoga and can reach its own teeth.

SpeakerA
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A cow that's so smart, it realizes

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