#392 - David Choe

#392 - David Choe

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David Choe is an American painter, muralist, graffiti artist and graphic novelist from Los Angeles, CA. To learn more about him and his work check out the documentary "Dirty Hands: The Art and Crimes of David Choe" and also on his VICE series "Thumbs UP!" Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
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SpeakerA
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And I'm like, what? Like, that takes this kind of guy that you're talking about, the hitman kind of guy, because it takes a little.

SpeakerB
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Bit more than that. It takes most likely someone who's probably been molested themselves.

SpeakerA
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What are you gonna like, okay, so you're trying to ultimately beat me physically and then humiliate me, but then you still have to get your dick hard to get it into my butthole, you know?

SpeakerB
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Yeah. It's an OD. Od thing to be proud of. I think if you're a man and you're doing that, there's a lot of those guys that have probably been molested.

SpeakerA
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Right.

SpeakerB
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They say that that's one of the big factors for child molesting is people who were molested themselves as a child. I'm not saying that that's child molesting, but fucking rape like that. But it's kind of akin to.

SpeakerA
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Right. It's the number one fear if you're going to go to prison.

SpeakerB
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Yeah.

SpeakerA
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Sons of Anarchy just started the new season. Right, right. Amazing. Like, it starts with Oto getting butt.

SpeakerB
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How rude.

SpeakerA
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And he's the creator of the show, I think. So that means he okayed himself getting butt fucked.

SpeakerB
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Okayed it. The guy probably wrote it in.

SpeakerA
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Yeah, he wrote it.

SpeakerB
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Smile on his face.

SpeakerA
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So he's getting butt fucked. And I'm like, and then the guy implies this is going to go down on the regular every day now. So if you know every morning you're going to get butt fucked, at what point do you just give up? Like, even fighting it? You're just like, do you shit yourself every morning so that the guy has to stick his dick through?

SpeakerB
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I bet he's not that shy. I bet shit's not going to scare him off. If I had to take a wild guess, right, the guy was trying to fuck you in the butt every day. That guy's not, like, discerning.

SpeakerC
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Learn to like it.

SpeakerA
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Day two, day three. Do you just.

SpeakerB
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He could. That could be the non passive Buddha approach. Learn to like and learn to be a good wife. Maybe you actually grow to love each other.

SpeakerC
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Try to make yourself.

SpeakerB
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It's a terrible idea to be locked up in jail while the guy was fucking you all the time. For sure, your mind would try to rationalize and find some way to escape it.

SpeakerA
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But think about the performance anxiety of just, like, just being with a girl regularly, right? You're like, with her and then you can't get it up and you're like, oh, my God, how embarrassing. Think about the performance anxiety of a male rapist who's like, I'm going to rape this guy. You beat him up, you get him down, you rip his pants down, and then you're like, sorry, give me a second. You're like, I got to get this.

SpeakerB
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Well, it's a perfect example of rape being not sex. Rape is violence, right. A guy fucking and raping a guy, especially if he's not gay. It's a control and violence thing.

SpeakerA
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You should get a known male rapist prison guy on the show and ask him what he thinks about to get hard.

SpeakerB
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I don't think they could do it. Wrestling mask.

SpeakerA
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You got two people now taking their minds to separate places. You got the guy getting raped trying to think of anything but getting raped, and you got the rapist trying to think of something to get him hard to rape the guy.

SpeakerB
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Yeah, it's an uncomfortable idea, but it's also an idea that we kind of understand. That's one of the more uncomfortable aspects of it.

SpeakerA
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Right.

SpeakerB
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We kind of understand that there are guys out there that would rape somebody, right. They would do it.

SpeakerA
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And you trained him to kill.

SpeakerB
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I don't think that guy was. He could have been a rapist, but he definitely at least tried to kill people. Or was it very, I should say, at the very least, ready, right? I met a couple of guys like that. I met a couple of guys along the way that were, like, really crazy. One of the guys that I used to do martial arts with, he went to jail and came back a completely different person.

SpeakerA
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Right.

SpeakerB
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It was weird, man, right? He came out like a wild animal. I mean, he went in, he was a real tough kid, and he went in when he was like, I guess he was probably, like, 18 or something like that. We were around the same age, right? And when he came out, he came out years later. He didn't want to tell everybody he was in jail. So he had this crazy story about being away and helping somebody out or something like that. And then eventually he just confessed. But then getting to know him, he was a totally different person. It's like all of a sudden I had to realize, oh, the last guy, he's not here anymore. This is some new dude. Now I got to talk to this new dude and figure out what the parameters of our friendship are, because he seems fucking crazy. He's been fighting for his life in a cage for the last four years. I mean, the dude went away, and he told me about fights where he tried to beat a guy to death with a mop handle. Some guys were coming at him.

SpeakerA
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He came out an animal.

SpeakerB
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Yeah, he came out an animal. It was for real wild animal fight to the death type shit on a regular basis.

SpeakerA
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Wow.

SpeakerB
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Yeah. He was in jail for drugs, right? And so he was in, like, a serious jail. He was in jail, I think, either heroin or cocaine. I don't know what it was, but he was fucking nuts when he came out.

SpeakerA
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I hate to say how much time I've actually thought about getting fucked in my ass, because I've been to jail a few times. I've never done hard time, but I've been to jail a few times for a few months. And it's like, you have to think about it going in, especially being an Asian, right? You go in as a black guy. There's the blacks, you go into Mexican. There's the mexican gangs. You go in the whites, you join the Aryan. Whatever. I have a friend that's japanese, a little japanese guy that went to jail. And then there's not enough Asians in jail where they just all have to. You have to be friends with the Chinese, the Japanese, the Thai, the Filipinos.

SpeakerB
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Right?

SpeakerA
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It's not like, oh, because there's so few. And come on, let's face it. Everyone likes asian chicks, especially this pervert over here.

SpeakerB
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So if everyone likes asian chicks, then.

SpeakerA
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We'Re the asian chicks.

SpeakerB
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Male rapists want asian dudes, dude, if.

SpeakerA
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You'Re in jail and you're fucking white dudes and hairy afro buttholes and Mexicans, and then, like, a hairless Asian, you're.

SpeakerB
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Like, oh, I kind of see your point. Depends on what you're into.

SpeakerA
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Asians are small. We're smaller than. So if you're a rapist and look, this is the things I think about. And I get to jail, I'm an easy target. I'm not a fucking giant guy. He's like, oh, and he doesn't have that much hair.

SpeakerB
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It's a weird thing to think about. How often do you think about this?

SpeakerA
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Well, I think about it when I go to court and they go, you're going to jail.

SpeakerB
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How many times you been in jail?

SpeakerA
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I've been maybe five times. Most of them, like, just a week or a day. And then the Japan thing where I was for three months, but never more than a few months, and I never got raped. It's almost a weird thing. Like, I almost wanted it to happen so I could finally.

SpeakerC
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Yeah, you didn't try hard because you.

SpeakerA
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Remember the Edward Norton movie, 25th hour, where he asked his best friend to beat the shit out of him?

SpeakerB
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Yes.

SpeakerA
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So he would look ugly going in, so he looked like a badass. So I never went that far. But it was like, oh, my God.

SpeakerB
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I forgot about that. What a crazy strategy.

SpeakerA
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Yeah, but, okay, I get to prison the first day, a white gang, mexican gang, whatever, is like, let's fucking show the new guy, like, how it's done here. At that point, I'm like, I'm going to be overpowered. Whatever. This and that. In my mind, I made it up very early on. I was like, I'm not going to get fucked in my ass. It's not going to happen. If I go to jail and like, five guys hold me down and fuck my ass or whatever, then I'm going to die the next day. I don't want to be the guy that gets. I'm going to fucking kill the guy that did that to me. And if I die trying, then I'll just be dead, but I'm not going to. If they make me suck their dick, I'll bite their dicks off.

SpeakerB
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Strong statement.

SpeakerA
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I'm not going to fucking be the guy that just gets butt fucked.

SpeakerB
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I know what you're saying.

SpeakerC
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What if you like it though, man?

SpeakerA
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That is the problem.

SpeakerC
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I think you're going to like it fine.

SpeakerA
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Well, you have that bingo button in your prostate or whatever.

SpeakerB
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Allegedly.

SpeakerA
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Allegedly.

SpeakerB
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I never pushed that bitch. I don't want that. Jackpot.

SpeakerA
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But on a regular, you've trained martial arts, this and that. And I've heard, like, the Bruce Lee story stuff where he's a badass, so everyone always tries to fight him on a regular week. How many times does someone try to fight you?

SpeakerB
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No, never. People never try to fight me. I'm very nice. Somebody comes up to me, I know.

SpeakerA
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You'Re a nice guy, but does people ever go, hey, you think you know how to fight?

SpeakerB
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No, I'm not very impressed with myself. I'm not, like, type of person who brags about what I can and can't do. So it's not like I have to respond to things that I've said, like, I could kick this guy's ass, that guy, up, right? I don't even think like that. I do it for me. I do it to calm my crazy monkey body, right? I do it to keep my mind straight. I do it to give myself something that's very difficult to do, right. Because I think that as a person, oftentimes we have a lot of intensely built up stress because of the nature of average everyday life in comparison to.

SpeakerA
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The jerk off every day.

SpeakerB
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Yeah. Ancient man had a completely different existence, right. But we essentially have the same body and so that body has like energy requirements. And I find that if I don't test myself in some extreme way on a regular basis physically, that I can't stay calm.

SpeakerA
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Well, I try to push myself. I've been painting my whole life, right? So I guess when anyone does anything their whole life to other people, it makes it look easy, right? So I'll paint and I'll just pick up and I paint quickly so I don't really spend too much time on anyone painting. And that's because I've practiced and practiced.

SpeakerB
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What's your style too?

SpeakerA
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Right?

SpeakerB
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You have a very particular style.

SpeakerA
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People will see me paint and go, oh, I think I could do that.

SpeakerB
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Thank you very much for the werewolf that made me. That was cool as shit. I wish the framing was done. I'd have it hanging up while you're in here. But that was very cool.

SpeakerA
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Well, that was cool to find out how much you liked comics and horror shit growing up. And that stuff for me is fun

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