#318 - Aubrey Marcus, Eddie Brill

Because I'm trying to hurt his feelings.

Whoa. I can't believe you went there. I can't even believe you went there. Good luck. What's up, budy? What's going on, brother?

Yeah, man.

This is always good. The weird thing, the pause the commercial commercial. And then the music and then the start talking part. It's, like, not the most efficient way to do it. It's not the best way.

Everything's been good, man. It's been a hell of a run on. It's been super exciting. I've been really exploring some of the more non psychedelic adventures in my own life that have been pretty cool. Some of those things, well, I guess you'd say non plant based experiences, really focusing on deepening meditation. Learned a really cool thing called shamanic breathing, which I was totally skeptical about. Have you ever heard about that?

No, what is that?

All right, so, basically what you do is you create these really powerful breaths and consecutively through your nose like that. So you're hyperventilating, and it's best to do this with a guide because I didn't really know what to expect going through. I was just like, all right, whatever. They put on some music, and they get you fired up, and they're like, give it hell. Do it. Like you're fighting for something great in your life, and they get you kind of stoked on this, and you start breathing. And what you're trying to do, actually, is create a state where you're purposefully hyperventilating yourself, which is actually manipulating your ph and then constricting some of the blood vessels that go to your brain. So you're creating.

Choking yourself.

Yeah, a little bit like autoerotic asphyxiation a little bit. But what you're trying to do is, like Aldous Huxley would say, is you're trying to obscure the cognitive filter for long enough that your brain allows little gaps. It's like opening the blinds in your brain a little bit so that the rational mind goes away and it allows whatever else that is. Even Pressfield would call it the muse, psychedelic people would call it source or the other, or whatever you want to call it. That other information that comes in that isn't quite just produced by your rational mind. And by shutting off a few of the valves, it feels like you're opening the blinds. Well, again, I was totally skeptical. I've obviously done some of the most significant plant medicines in the world. So I was like, what is this shit? This is just breathing. But I got into it, and the first thing that happens about ten minutes in is you experience what's called tetani, they call it, and it's where you get really kind of curled up and you feel like you have, like, the claw. Like you can't stretch out your fingers. Super uncomfortable position. They're like, keep breathing, keep breathing. I was like, fuck it. I'll go through it. I'll see what's at the end of this rabbit hole. And then I did, and I pushed through that state, and about 15 minutes in, it turned full psychedelic experience. And it was awesome. It was cool.

15 minutes in.

15 minutes in.

So 15 minutes of just heavy, crazy breathing.

Heavy, crazy breath.

And how long are these breaths?

They're fast.

Give me a couple of them. Give me a couple of them right now and just keep doing that for 15 minutes.

You can alternate doing, like, little short ones, like, but basically putting out a massive amount of breath. And it's best to do this with somebody there leading, because it does create. You get really kind of. It's a weird state. You're being. You're actually really generating a psychedelic state. So we get in there, 15 minutes, and it was cool. It's not like the DMT experience, which has this, what they call the chrysanthemum of all these colors and vortexes and lights and the flotillas and all the shit I've previously described. But it's very focused, like the vision that you get. And I had a whole. Me personally, I had, like, a whole background that kind of came in that was kind of like a seamless, eternal background, 360 degrees. And then I saw myself come in, but I was, like, faceless, and I was looking and looking.

Your eyes open or closed? Closed.

Closed, yeah, you can't really see. If you try to open your vision, you're a little dizzy, you're distorted. You've basically hyperventilated the shit out of yourself. So when your eyes closed and you're seeing this, and then the most powerful, transformative moment for me was when I actually, for the first time, out of all the medicines I've ever done, I saw a visual depiction of what I believed. My God self, my soul, my spirit self was in the aboga experience. That was my true self, and I heard it talking to me while I was taking the aboga. That was the one guiding me through with the blinking cursor going through all the information in my life. That voice, I actually saw it pictured and depicted in the physical form in that vision. It didn't.

Is that safe for your lungs or your brain?

So it was developed by this guy, Stanislav Groff. And he developed it when acid became illegal. He was like, we got to create a state that's legal now that acid is illegal because that was his favorite. So he created this. And they've done quite a bit of study. It felt intense, but you felt really strong and good after it was done. And I've looked around at some of the studies and a couple of people say it's not good for you, but other people say absolutely no harm and done. So do your research on that. Make sure that you're comfortable with what it's doing to your body.

The idea, why would. I'm confused as to why it would be bad for you if all you're doing is breathing heavy.

Yeah. Really? You're not adding any kind of exercise.

The same kind of thing then it.

Is to a certain degree, except this is actually temporarily restricting some blood flow.

But it's not like, how is it doing that though? By just breathing?

Yeah. So some mechanism with the expulsion. Yeah, you're going to have to. Faster, harder, in through the nose, out through the mouth.

This does not make for a good podcast because this could take like ten minutes.

Yeah, it could take a while, especially for watch how it used powerhouse drop down to five. But it manipulates the carbon dioxide level in your blood. You're expelling more carbon dioxide, which raises your ph level. And by raising your ph level, it somehow restricts some of the blood vessels which creates this state. And really when you start to look at the mechanism of action, a lot of psychedelics, what it's doing is it's shutting off certain portions of the brain. And that's where I really appreciate Aldous Huxley's view on this, which is a lot of people think the psychedelic experience is adding something to you, like adding an experience on. He's saying all you're doing, you're not adding shit, you're taking away your mind. And by taking away your mind, you allow what's already there to come through. And this is a reliable legal self mechanism for getting there. And it was pretty cool.

Where does the average person find a guide to do this?

Yeah, I would just look at Google, your city, whatever it is, you got to get fucked. You got to be careful.

Some guy's going to fuck you. Yes. Shamanic breathing. You got to breathe through my dick.

You have to be careful wherever you go. You have to be careful with ayahuasca maestros. You have to be careful with the bogus shamans. All of these people.

It's true.

Got to put them through your shit vest.

Yeah, you never know. You never know. Because just because someone says they're an a boga shaman doesn't really mean they're not a.

Exactly.

Anybody could say that now. I mean, anybody could say they're an ayahuascaro. You have to find out whether. Yeah, that's unfortunate. That's one of the unfortunate aspects of being able to communicate. We can also lie.

It's like life coach. Anyone can say that they're a life coach nowadays, and that's ridiculous.

I've got a funny life coach story. Did I tell you about that guy who bangs older rich chicks?

No.

I did. I mentioned him on the podcast before, but it's like when you're around someone and you just immediately go, oh, great, there's a coyote in the chicken coop. I'm watching all these poor old ladies hang around with this super charming man with a ponytail, and I want to smack him because I'm like, I know what you're doing, you fuck. He's hanging out with these older broads, and he started out as, like, a manny, a male nanny. And my friend who lived next door was like, that fucking guy away from my wife, man. He had a thing about him, and this guy's not very jealous. So I was like, interesting. So then it turns out he starts banging the wife, and they get a divorce.

The husband knew it.

Yeah, the husband leaves, and now this guy is banging the wife, who's rich, of course, and now he becomes a life coach. He's not a male nanny anymore. He's a life coach. I'm like, this guy is just a straight con man. He's just a straight con man who moved into this neighborhood and started wearing thumb rings and knee high leather boots.

Thumb ring and a ponytail. You can't do that. You can only permit yourself one or the other. Really?

Yeah. He's one of those guys where you'll catch him reading a classic. Oh, I just happened to be reading carawack here. Come on in. He's, like, cultivating this whole image and using it to scam these older ladies. It's really interesting how obvious it is, too. If you're talking to the guy, he just oozes bullshit. But buddy's 36, and he's got a cock, and these 50 year old women are like, I can't believe he's banging me. And boom. Next thing you know, he's a life coach. Life coach. Fucking life coach.

Got to get your bullshit detector out. Strong. Hone that in.

Yeah. And, ladies, guys with thumb rings, come on, now. Come on, now. What is that guy doing with a fucking thumb ring on? Silly bitch. That's ridiculous. Agreed.

Agreed.

He's banging you. You're 50, and he's got a thumb ring run and a ponytail run. Yeah, ponytail